Birds, they're born free, you know? They're born to fly. They're, they have the whole world to fly around, you know? They're just, to me, to ha- to see a bird caged, and I think that, like, again, it goes back to the trauma that my dad was in prison, you know? Like, it's kind of all connected.

So to me, seeing a bird in a cage is how you torture me. Because they're meant to explore. They have so much that is given to them when they are, when they get here. And we take it away because we like the animal. Or oh, I like the way it sings. Oh I like the way it looks. Or I want a, I want, quiero un cotorro que habla.That's usually what I, like, for what? I don't see the need to remove a beautiful creature from the wild just because, oh, my, my mom wants one, you know? It’s just, to me it’s just senseless.

But yet again, it comes back to the culture. Like, you know, like having a parrot in a small cage, that's what we've seen all our lives, you know? So the education is not there. The other thing that, that, whenever I hear stories of this it’s, like, people that burn lechuzas because they think they're witches. You know? Like, when to me, that's just, oh, my God, like, that just kills me every time I hear stories like that. Because that's just ignorance. Like, that's just, the education is not there.

So how can we make this, these ideas go away? You know? And and the only way that we can make that happen is educating the people.