To me, everything is politics. You know? How much you pay for this? It's politics. You know? People say I don't like politics. Everything is politics.

We opened a chapter in Friona. And then we changed the way that town vote. We went to cumulative system. At that time, it was general. We went to, to the federal court, and we won. And after those victories, man, you never, you are never going to be the same again. You're up to the challenge, you know?

So I learned that from LULAC. I learned from great leaders. Rosa Rosales. There were some, some older guys, chingones, that I learned from them. You know? And learning from them, you’re just not afraid anymore. You know? Not afraid. It gives you the guts that you need to move forward.

The only thing I felt a few seconds talking to Margaret Thatcher. That's the only one I remember. But there was, but there were about five seconds or less, you know, because you had to compose yourself. You're not talking to some fucking redneck. You're talking to the, the prime minister from England, you know? So you have to talk to her level, you know? So yeah, I, I remember that. And I still, I, I was, I felt a little intimidated.

But talking to Bush, to Perry, to, you know? Problem is to getting their, their answers. They say, oh, it's a good question. I know it's a good question. That's what I'm asking you, goddammit. You know?